Episode 3 of the Kitcast sees us review the new crest that will appear on Umbro kits from 2019/20. We also look back to the Centenary season home shirt, Justin Whittle talks kit preferences and in the news round-up we discuss the latest round of poppy shirt auctions, the use of third kits at Millwall, Scunthorpe’s kit poll and Roma’s rights issue.
Presented by Les and Adam, co-produced by Mikey and John.
Hull City Kits are delighted and privileged to have been asked by local Trawler memorial groups to help them auction some matchworn shirts. A first batch will go on auction website Ebay this Sunday evening from 8pm.
You may recall that when City faced Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in February, the Tigers wore shirts that (in addition to carrying Emirates FA Cup sleeve patches) featured sleeve patches memorialising the ‘Triple Trawler Tragedy’.
Early in 1968, three Hull trawlers were lost at sea, sinkings that claimed 58 lives and left just one survivor. These events shone a light on the unfavourable conditions and working practices that fishermen had to contend with, and tireless campaigning by the ‘Headscarf Revolutionaries’, widows and family members of the lost fishermen, led to strengthened safety legislation to better protect all who went to sea for a living.
The round sleeve patches that adorned City shirts at Chelsea feature the number 58, representing the number of lives lost in the three sinkings, above the outline of a trawler containing the text ‘1968-2018’, marking the 50th anniversary of the loss of the trawlers St. Romanus, Kingston Peridot and Ross Cleveland.
Hull City have kindly donated many of the shirts (some will have been swapped by players after the game) to the Trawler memorial groups, who wish to give Tigers fans the opportunity to own some of these unique shirts while raising funds to support the work of the groups.
Those groups are…
STAND (St. Andrews Dock Heritage Park Action Group) http://www.hullfishingheritage.org.uk
The Fishermen’s Mission http://www.fishermensmission.org.uk
The Hull Bullnose Heritage Group http://www.hullbullnoseheritagegroup.co.uk
Saint John the Baptist Church (The “Fishermen’s Church”)
Proceeds from the shirt auction will be divided between the four groups. Not all of the shirts handed to us will be listed on Ebay in one go, a decision was made by the groups to stagger their availability.
Now, let’s take a look at the shirts that will be up for auction this weekend!
Notes: Each shirt features a Trawler memorial patch on the left sleeve (as worn) and an Emirates FA Cup patch on the right sleeve. The name and numbers are player size, featuring the EFL logo and that of the league’s charity partner Prostate Cancer UK. Under the numbers on the back of the shirt is a green, heat bonded applique with the logo of associate club sponsor Burflex Scaffolding.
Kitroom staff typically prepare two shirts per player per game, as some players like to change shirts at half time. If a player doesn’t change at half time, or plays only one half, that leaves an unworn spare shirt that is nonetheless match issued.
Certificates of authenticity have not been created by the club for these shirts, which were simply passed, very generously we might add, to the memorial groups. That many of the shirts are unwashed and have grass and mud stains that can be matched to action photographs from the game is all the provenance that we need as collectors of matchworn Hull City shirts, but we at Hull City Kits don’t feel qualified to issue COAs so will not entertain requests for them.
For those who like their shirts clean*…
Harry Wilson – No visible signs of game wear, may be a match issued spare. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. Wilson, a rising star and godsend for City, has really made a name for himself while on loan from Liverpool and on international duty with Wales. He looks destined for big things.
Fraizer Campbell – No visible signs of game wear, may be a match issued spare. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. Campbell, in his second spell for City, joined the action in the 72nd minute.
David Marshall – Worn and unwashed, but with little obvious signs of game use. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. Marshall, a back-up to Allan McGregor for much of the season, was given the nod for the cup tie and played all game. We know this is the jersey he wore because we can use action pictures to photo match a unique property. A number one had been applied to the shirt, but then removed and a number 12 added. Residue from the heat bonded number’s removal remains and can be clearly seen in game action.
Jackson Irvine – long hair never looked so good! Sorry, couldn’t resist. No visible signs of game wear, may be a match issued spare. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. Australian international and man-bun enthusiast Irvine started the game, and was replaced on 88 minutes by Daniel Batty.
Jon Toral – No visible signs of game wear, may be a match issued spare. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. Toral, a product of the Barcelona academy, was a substitute who joined the game 55 minutes in, replacing Harry Wilson.
*Disclaimer: Though some of the shirts are clean, that’s not to say they might not pong a bit. All of the shirts were placed in a large bag together, so even the unworn shirts may share a little of the odour of the unwashed shirts.
For those who like their shirts mucky…
Michael Dawson – Worn and unwashed, with grass stains under the numbers. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. The Tigers captain played the full 90 minutes.
Kevin Stewart – Worn and unwashed, with mud/grass stains. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. Stewart played the full game
Allan McGregor – Bench worn and unwashed, with mud stains. Signed by the player on the back of the shirt. This shirt is full of surprises, we didn’t expect the shirt of an unused substitute to have any dirt on it, but it seems the back-up keeper for this game wore it during an energetic warm-up and it gathered some Stamford Bridge mud. Furthermore, the sleeves have been hand cut by scissors. We asked kitman John Eyre about this and he replied “We’ve run out of green goalkeeper shirts in large, so we printed up an XL but cut the sleeves so it fit better.” Unexpected mud and signs of player personalisation? How does that not float your boat?
If you would like to donate to the sterling work of the Trawler memorial groups, PayPal is a good way, paypal.me/trawlermemorial
Our friends at Football Bobbles, purveyors of fine headwear based on (amongst other things) football kits of historic note, have made the logical step of basing a bobble hat on a shirt that is simultaneously the greatest and the worst ever conceived.
Named in honour of (who else?) Dean Windass, ‘The Deano’ riffs on City’s 1992/93 home shirt and is made in England from 100% polyester.
There are just 50 available, and they go on sale at 7pm tonight, the fastest fingers will be rewarded. Get yours at Football Bobbles.Available soon: The ‘Deano’ bobble, by Football Bobbles.
It has been a while since we last trawled through Ebay’s completed listings to celebrate or mourn the varied Hull City shirts that have been snapped up, but the mood has taken us so we’ll review January’s offerings.
The biggest news has been the Royal British Legion’s listing of the poppy emblazoned player shirts worn at home to Southampton and away at Burnley. Compared to previous years poppy shirt auctions, these two lots went for peanuts.
The player whose shirts went for the most might surprise you, it was Stephen Quinn, who came on as a sub in both of the games which ended in 1-0 defeats. £138 and £131.29 (not including postage) were the final prices of Quinniesta’s shirt pair.
That really isn’t a lot of money for matchworn shirts from known games with certificates of authenticity, and many went for much less. Consider these bargains: Jake Livermore’s shirt from the Burnley game, £69. Sone Aluko’s shirts went for £72 and £70.
One of Paul McShane’s shirts went for £78.01 while his other went for £103.11, one of only 6 shirts that went for over £100 (the others being Robertson £113.11, Huddlestone £109, Stephen Harper’s aqua keeper shirt used at Turf Moor £101.51 and the Quinn shirts).
Why have they gone for so little this year, given that Dele Adebola’s 2011/12 poppy shirt fetched £155, more than any of the current years shirts? The possible reasons are numerous: This year the RBL did the auction themselves rather than having the club do it, and whereas the club would use the OWS and social media accounts to advertise the auctions, this one was essentially unheralded this time round. Also, there were two shirts for each player’s shirts this year, rather than one shirt worn in two games, which doubles the number of shirts available and consequently dilutes bidding war potential.
Then there is the time the auction finished: after 1am on a Tuesday morning, when most folk are in bed ahead of a work day, an utterly baffling decision. The combination of these factors has led to less money than you’d expect to be raised for the poppy appeal, but you won’t get many complaints from collectors.
Ahead of the auction, the RBL did said they’d limit the amount of shirts one person could buy. Last year every single City poppy shirt was bought by an American sports memorabilia outfit called Nate D. Sanders, who sought to resell them at a hefty profit though they’ve had little joy, no surprise when they list Tom Huddlestone’s shirt for $2000/£1,323, good luck with that! Regardless of RBL’s limit clause, 16 of the 31 available shirts went to one of three buyers, one Ebayer alone bought 7 of them. Ordinarily we don’t normally go for poppy shirts, but these were going for so little, we treated ourselves to the one worn by Abel Hernandez against Southampton.
Few things are more frustrating for kit collectors than seeing an item appear on completed listings that never showed up on obsessive daily searches or on email alerts set to notify you of such items.
Such an item sold in January: a Fraizer Campbell worn 2007/08 home shirt (with Tiger Leisure COA), used in the home game against Barnsley in which the now unfairly loathed loanee scored twice.
The shirt was listed as Buy-It-Now, which is a possible explanation as to how it was missed in our frenzied daily searching, and was sold for £120. That amount is what we consider a reasonable base price for modern matchworn shirts, but given Campbell’s importance in that promotion winning side, it might have fetched a bit more had it been a bidding auction, we’d certainly would have had a crack at it.
Overall, matchworn City shirts are going for a lot less now than they did a year ago, there was a time when scores of people would battle each other for shirts used in the basement division, bidding hundreds of pounds. That time seems to have gone, possibly a result of the war of attrition the owners are waging on the traditional club name, and in turn fans who value it, causing a general malaise, because old shirts are not going for much right now.
Take this Michael Bridges 2006/07 home shirt that went for just £29.29, a ridiculous price for a very nice shirt. We ruled ourselves out early as we already have a 2006/07 home matchworn and we’re concentrating on getting shirts from seasons that we don’t have, but there was a twinge of regret when we saw that final price.
At the time we were focussing on a 2009/10 Geovanni home shirt that after much photo-matching research, we found to be authentic and got for just £50! The placing of names and numbers applied on shirts with pinstripes makes it relatively easy to see if the shirt has been worn when comparing it to match photos, and we found that Geo wore it at home to Manchester United. The seller had sourced the shirt from a Wigan player who had swapped his shirt for Geo’s unused spare shirt in the 3rd round FA Cup tie at the JJB Stadium.
Another 2009/10 home shirt went for a similar amount, a supposed Jimmy Bullard matchworn that we didn’t bother researching to see if it was authentic or not, as we wouldn’t wipe our arses using a shirt of his. A better buy was this Joe Dudgeon ‘Tash Converters’ shirt used at Bristol City in 2012/13, it went for £117.
Someone was suckered into believing they’d got a 2009/10 poppy shirt in January, and paid £58.57 for a bog standard replica badged up by a coin eyed miscreant.
The real poppy shirts didn’t have embroidered game text, it was heat applied, and the three lines of text was confined within two pinstripes, it certainly wasn’t wider than the Umbro logo above it.
£58.57 for a fake when a real matchworn poppy shirt from this year went for £69, and a different matchworn went for £29.29, that’s crazy. Do your research buyers, granted there are very few cases of Hull City shirt fakery, but this shirt shows it does happen. Caveat emptor.
Like the Fraizer Campbell shirt we missed a Buy-It-Now 1999/00 Gareth Williams shirt, that has all the attributes of a real matchworn: the full size letters and numbers, the retroreflective sleeve patches and it’s an XL, as all players were issued with that season, whether they were Gary Brabin hefty or Ian Goodison stick thin. We do have a matchworn 1999/00 home shirt already, but they are rare enough to justify having two, and this one apparently going for a penny short of £50 makes us weep.
I think I know why we stopped doing these auction reviews, as seeing shirts you could have had but somehow missed them is most distressing. Still, there’s no use crying over sold polyester, and there is always February!
Eagle eyed fans watching the 0-0 draw with Leicester on Boxing Day will have noticed that a new appliqué had appeared on the playing kit. Two days later the club announced a sponsorship deal with local scaffolding firm Burflex, who would become back of shorts sponsor for the remainder of this season.
The Clay Street firm have struck a deal that covers not just the rest of the 2012/13, but also the whole of next season too, although if City were to be promoted this term the Burflex appliqués would not be used in 2013/14, as kit sponsorship is restricted to chest advertising only in the Premier League.
Early in January the 3rd shirts worn at Bristol City were sent out to the winning bidders of an online auction that ended on Christmas Day. The Argentina blue shirts featured ‘tash converters’ appliqués, as main sponsor Cash Converters used the televised game in late October to show their support of the Movember charity.
Scorer Sone Aluko’s shirt fetched a whopping £510, that along with cash raised from the sale of the rest of the shirts will go towards male cancer treatment research. We were rather chuffed to snag Liam Rosenior’s matchworn shirt, but what later grabbed our attention was the crest patches used on the goalkeeper shirts.
Tiger National Andy Bradley won Eldin Jakupović’s bench worn keeper jersey and sent us a photo of his purchase, showing that the crest used was the 3D effect, layered felt type which featured on City’s 2010/11 kits, whereas the outfield shirts all used the iron on (but meant to look stitched on) crests used on kits for both this season and for 2011/12. Dave Holmes, snagger of the matchworn ‘keeper shirt from that game, confirmed that Ben Amos’ jersey used the 2010/11 crest too. Curious.
Finally, a request for knowledge. The above photos were both for sale on Ebay recently, and show City in the Admiral away shirt introduced in 1982/83 and used throughout the six year period Admiral made City’s kits. The pinstriped away shirt is being worn with plain white socks and what black socks, do you know what game these images are from?
Match worn 2000/01 away shirts were all the rage in June, three were there to be bid on last month.
One of the auctions ended in July so we’ll look at that next month, but as for the other two, first up was a long sleeved, number 3 Andy Holt shirt that was worn at Torquay late in the 2000/01 campaign.
The long throwing full back scored at Plainmoor, but that’s not all that’s notable about this shirt. The sponsor is applied in vinyl, which was used on the away shirts of players who signed after mid-season. Mark Atkin as well as Holt had the vinyl IBC wordmark whereas the rest of the team had sponsors applied in felt. This shirt gleaned 11 bids and went for £82.55. The second shirt was worn by Jason Harris, though looking at the games the navy, maroon and yellow kit was used in, he only wore it in match action for 17 minutes at Shrewsbury. The short sleeve shirt with felt sponsor somehow had made its way to Portugal, that’s where the seller trades from. After 16 bids it went for £46.77.
There were more match worn shirts on offer, the pick of which was Andy Flounders’ number 10, Europa branded 1979/80 home shirt. There were only 10 bids, but the final bid won it for £193.99. In contrast Manucho’s 2008/09 home shirt went for a mere £45. Ok, the Angolan could rarely hit a cow’s arse with a banjo, but this is a Premier League worn shirt! That’s a snip!
On to replicas, we were rather unimpressed by the actions of the seller Replay Football Shirts. Last month we mentioned a tiger stripe 1993/94 home shirt missing the B & O of the Bonus sponsor that went for £47. Replay evidently won the shirt and added a thin felt B & O over the missing letters and a Matchwinner logo holed number 7 and Football League sleeve patches before re-listing it. The seller didn’t mention the shoddy sponsor ‘repair’ work or that the number isn’t an official Matchwinner applique though.
The big rule of any auction is caveat emptor, or buyer beware, and you can argue that anyone buying this shirt has it coming to them, but nonetheless this listing stinks. When that shirt arrived, the buyer who paid £142 had to be horrified that the B & O are see through when the rest of the sponsor is raised felt (as seen above). Ho hum.
This 1994/95 Pelada/Pepis home shirt fetched £62 despite being hideous, whereas Pelada’s limited edition but unused 3rd shirt in large went for £77 after 5 bids. The same seller listed a Super League/University of Hull 1997/98 away shirt, surprisingly it went for only £37.09. Surprising as these shirts rarely appear on Ebay.
June was certainly a good month for replica bargains, a 1997/98 Super League/University of Hull home shirt in large sold for £37.99, and a ‘Great Escape’ 1998/99 home shirt netted £31.43 for its seller.
Oddity of the month was this Super League training shirt which we don’t recall ever seeing with an IBC sponsor, and bargain of the month was this 2003/04 black away shirt which was had for just £1.60! More next month, until then happy bidding!
The season may be over and the players off sunning themselves in Ayia Napa or wherever, but Ebay never sleeps. There is no respite for shirt collectors.
They must remain vigilant all year round in their polyester-craving quest, lest they be reminded of the bitterest of auction axioms…”if you snooze, you lose”.
May matched April for City kit intrigue, especially for matchworn items, many of which went for thouroughly reasonable amounts.
The biggest buzz was generated by a 1987/88 Admiral/Mansfield Beers home shirt with 8 on the back, suggesting it was used by Frankie Bunn who frequently wore that number. The partially flaked off sponsor and iron mark add rather than detract from this shirt’s charm, and it went for £160 after 20 bids.
The same seller had another trick up their sleeve, a 1979/80 long sleeved Europa home shirt with 9 on the back. This only went for £77 after 12 bids, the low end price possibly explained by the numerous holes in the shirt. Still, a great piece.
Whoever got this player worn 1989/90 warm up top for £32.50 got an absolute bargain. It’s a bit faded and the Matchwinner logo on the back is degraded, but that just lets you know it was worn throughout the whole season.
From more recent times, this matchworn Manucho shirt from our first Premier League season was listed twice in May with a £75 asking price. The seller eventually accepted a bid of £45. Whatever your thoughts on Manucho’s ability, £45 for a matchworn Premier League shirt is an utter steal.
Are Danny Webb’s matchworn shorts really worth £21? Someone thinks so, though they were incorrectly listed. They were described as 2002/03 home shorts, but the black crest shield suggests they were from 2003/04 when we used black shields sewn on with amber thread rather than amber shields (used the year before) to distinguish them from the black away shorts which also used amber shields. Webb only made a handful of appearances in 2003/04 before departing to Cambridge.
Ray Parlours matchworn shorts from 2006/07 seem more worthy of a similar price of £21.50. Oddly, Jason Price’s worn shorts from the 2004/05 promotion campaign went for a mere pound, as did some alternate amber shorts that were match prepared for but ultimately unused by Nathan Doyle at Luton. We snaffled those.
Onto replicas, the seller of this 1992/93 Matchwinner/Bonus away shirt with ‘Windass 10’ on the back (that we featured in last month’s Auction Action) twice had to relist after winning bidders failed to pay up. When finally sold, it went for £60, some £40 less than was bid the first time round.
Last month we also mentioned an XL limited edition ‘Needlers’ shirt whch fetched £51 for its seller. In May the very same shirt was auctioned again, this time with ’10 Windass’ applied to the back and it went for £100.
The reseller didn’t mention the hole though. Naughty. It’s worth noting that squad names didn’t appear on Football League shirts until 1999, though often fans had sports shops add them anyway.
Even damaged 1992/93 tiger stripe home shirts are considered valuable to some, this shirt with the B & O of BONUS missing went for £47 after 12 bids. One of the Pelada leopard spot 1994/95 follow up shirts went for £35, while a 1995-97 Super League/IBC maroon away shirt went for £40 after a 17 bid battle.
You don’t see many Great Escape season away shirts up for grabs, this slightly beaten up one attracted 7 bids and sold for £35. A home shirt from the same year, 1998/99, garnered 15 bids and went for £40.
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink’s retirement from the game coincided with the listing of an XXL 2009/10 home shirt with his name and number on the back. It featured the full sized Premier League letters intially used for the Dutchman’s game shirts before smaller letters were ordered by the club. After 8 bids, it raised £24.50.
That’s all for this month. Happy bidding!
Whether the April fools were those who paid hefty sums for shirts or those who missed out on them is very much a matter of perspective, but the bidding for City kits was frenzied last month.
A matchworn shirt went for the most money, as you’d expect. This long sleeved, number 5 maroon away shirt from 1995-97 drew 17 bids and a final price of £227.
If this seventies home shirt said to be worn by Chris Chilton is genuine, it’s an absolute snip at £150 given that the seller got him to sign it. What catches our eye about it is the stitched on number 9 being white. Amazing.
The Club relisted Josh Kings shirt from the Leeds and Ipswich games, it features the Help the Hospices patch used by all Football League teams in March and fetched £113.88.
Early 80’s replicas continue to go for over £150, this Arrow Air sponsored number 9 Admiral home shirt raised £195 after 9 bids, and a white Admiral away shirt (that was used throughout Admiral’s 6 year stint as kit supplier) went for £170 after 13 bids.
Tiger stripe 1992/1993 home shirts also remain big draws. Despite the faded club crest this shirt attracted 22 bids and sold for £124. The same seller may have gotten more than £51 for a limited edition though never used in games ‘Needler’s shirt’ had it not had a small hole in it.
The most intriguing of the shirts sold in April was a Super League 1995-97 home shirt that appears to have been a prototype, though the seller believes it was worn in a pre-season friendly.
The club crest used on this jersey was the type used on the follow up kits from 1997/98, for 1995-97 though a large sewn on shield shaped patch containing the crest within a smaller shield.
On the back of this shirt a number 5 has a drop shadow, whereas the shirts used by the club throughout the two seasons they were worn had a simpler number font. Club used or not, this is a fascinating item, and we were surprised it went for a mere £31.50 after garnering 14 bids. Perhaps we should have had a punt on this one.
As we enter May, there are already some interesting shirts for sale on Ebay and elsewhere, happy hunting Kit Nerds!
March was a manic period for the Tigers, squeezing 9 games into it’s 31 days. it was also an interesting month for fans seeking old City shirts.
There were some relative bargains to be had where match worn/issued shirts were concerned, a signed Henrik Pedersen worn 2007-08 home shirt fetched £80, whereas a 2000/2001 Theo Whitmore home shirt went for just £62.
Tiger striped 1992/93 shirts continue to command triple figure bids, this one went for just under £176, prompting someone to ask £220 as a buy it now price for one in size large. It seems a bit cheeky to set such a high price when the seller says the B of the BONUS sponsor has a split in it, which may explain why no one has stumped up for it after a full 31 days listed. The same seller is asking £300 for a 1982-84 home shirt in large. Cuh.
Admiral reproduced that design in a much shinier fabric for seasons 1984/85 and 1985/86, and a youths (35-37″) version went for £102 after receiving 19 bids. Another one, also in a youths size but with the measurements not listed garnered 17 bids but went for just £29.66. Some cautionary tales for people listing old shirts then, let bidders decide what a shirt is worth, and state the exact size if you want people to bid big.
A centenary home shirt signed by 28 players spanning several generations, including Andy Davidson, John McSeveney, Ken Wagstaff, Chris Chilton, Billy Whitehurst, Richard Jobson and Kevin Francis fetched just £51, less than the £55 asking price for a 2009/10 replica home shirt signed by Jimmy Bullard. Not that anyone has paid that amount so far, though one person has made an offer, Paul Duffen perhaps.
Some 90s away shirts were snapped up, a 1993/94 Pelada/Pepis jade shirt in large sold for £69, while an XXL Super League/University of Hull white shirt from 1997/98 went for £72. Our favourite item auctioned in March was a late 70s Europa home shirt in a youths 30/32″ size. The seller correctly stated that replicas were a rarity back then, a surprise then that it fetched just £37.